General Guidelines and Tips

How to Retrieve e-books from Usenet


Incomplete Posts OE5 AOL Netscape @Home Road Runner
Where are all the e-books that people are talking about?

It all depends on where you have been looking.  If you are currently searching almost anywhere on Usenet besides the alt.binaries.e(-)book hierarchy, you are simply looking in the wrong newsgroups.  Refer to the list of known e-book groups section of this FAQ for more information.

If you are looking in the correct groups, but you are confused because you're seeing something like:

You should read the Guide for Usenet binary attachments FAQ to get some Usenet basic skills under your belt first.






AOL - a class by itself?

The best thing for anyone wanting Usenet and currently on AOL is to CHANGE ISP's! I've got nothing against AOL, it's just that their Usenet system is made to fail you, and the bigger the file you're trying for, the more likely the news server is to fail. The second best thing, and a distant second it is, is to pay for a news service like Newsguy or GigaNews that will allow you to download from their web pages.

Oh, well, some notes about Filegrabber:

IN AOL land, if Filegrabber won't give you the "download file" option it usually means you're missing parts of the post on your server.  If all the parts ARE there, then the post is mime or the Filegrabber just isn't working. To find only complete multipart posts, AOL has given you the option of filtering out all text posts and incompletes.  The downside of this feature is that you won't be able to read part 0/n of the posts, which contain important information.  If Filegrabber says the message is too long for downloading, keep clicking the "More" button until the whole body of the post is in the window.

If your Filegrabber doesn't give you the option to download the file (as opposed to the article), the post is either MIME or an incomplete UUE post.  You must have all the parts and download them individually.  After downloading, examine one of the files in any text reader to determine whether it's MIME or UUE.  Rename the files accordingly, then decode.

(Free)Agent or other news readers on AOL cannot be used to access AOL's news server, but you can use them with a supplemental news service from your AOL connection.  See Help | Release Notes | Secure News and Email Log ons.

AOL's built-in decompression utility can't handle passwords, and it's unwise to use it anyway.  Click on Members | Preferences | Download and remove the check marks from  "Automatically decompress files at sign off" and "Delete zip files after decompression."  Get WinZip or another good decompression utility and learn how to do it yourself.

There are "features" of the AOL newsreader that will often give you an error message stating that "Follow-up is allowed via email only."  This is dead wrong, and not the author's intention at all. Your news reader is misinterpreting the "reply to" and "follow up" fields in the original post.  In other cases, you are able to post a follow-up Usenet message, but only to the same newsgroups as the original post and you can't redirect it.  Please hold off posting any messages until you have closed ABME and switched to ABMED.


Notes on @home News Servers

For some time @home has been allowing you to connect to each of their news servers rather than confining you to a single server. Below is a list complied from lists by Fluke, Kind Bud, and Quick Brown Fox of the different servers they've found. Note that some of these may have been "blocked" from non-local @home access. If you find one of these let us know so that we can remove it. If you know of a server that isn't listed, and can be reached outside of its local area, please let us know.

Here are some tips to deal with @Home servers:

1.  Try to download as many segments from your default server as possible.  It's much easier to do this with the full version of Agent; try to find it and learn how to use it, especially the 'split/join message' command.

2.  Switch to an alternate server that has better completion or retention and download the missing segments.

3.  If parts are still missing, try to find an open or public news server.

4.  Finally, if parts are still missing, request only the missing sections to the .d group with the header  "ATTN: <poster's nym>".

Of course, subscribing to a premium news service is the way to go. Then you can skip all that crap.  But for now, I'm in the same boat as you: running around and trying to get fills because of @Home's gawd-awful completeness and retention (at least it's fast).

Here is a list of @Home servers provided by Random Fluke. The list was compiled by DoomMeister and the whole message was too good not to paste here in full:

DoomMeister's @home Server List

Foreword:
  
After posting to supposedly different servers on the @home network, and reaching post limits for no apparent reason I did some investigation of my own. To my surprise I found that many of the servers contacted using the form news.rdc1.xx.home.com (where the xx stands for the two letter postal abbreviation for U.S. states and Canadian provinces) end up being one and the same server.

My method was to 'tracert' the server and record the resulting URL and IP address. The results of my efforts are to follow. This will be of more interest to those that major posters in the groups. Using @home it doesn't take long to reach the 209MB post limit and therefore have to switch servers.

For those of you that are new to @home, we as a group have been frowned upon by the Usenet community for our bad manners. The biggest source of this hostility stems from the over abundance of fill requests from @home users. I'm sure you've noticed how terrible retention and propagation is on the @home servers (i.e. many partial postings and posts that are there for only 12 to 24 hours).

Use this list to make every attempt at finding your fills on another @home server before you place that fill request. It is our responsibility to gain respect in the established Usenet community. I hope this contribution
will be used to help us reach that goal.

You can help complete this list. If you have the URL for an @home news server not listed here, do this:

From a MS DOS window type:

'tracert your-url' (without the quotes) and return/enter.

The ping program will say Tracing xxx.yyy.zzz [aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd]
Where xxx.yyy.zzz is the URL resolved through the DNS and aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd is the IP address of the URL.

Compare the resulting URL and IP with those in this list, if there is no match, then please send your results to mailto:space157@home.com.
Your contributions will be added to the list and we will all benefit as a result.

Note: Please send only results you have verified to be new additions to the list. I have gone through most other lists that have been posted to the groups, and they have boiled down to the one's listed here.

Notes on Road Runner News Servers

Some Road Runner users also have the ability to switch to other RR servers.

 

news1.alsv1.occa.home.com  24.1.160.91 news1.crdva1.bc.home.com  24.113.31.186 news1.elmhst1.il.home.com  24.179.208.88
news1.frmt1.sfba.home.com  24.1.64.32 news1.gvcl1.bc.wave.home.com  24.69.48.12 news1.mntp1.il.home.com  24.2.192.37
news1.rdc1.ab.home.com  24.64.2.57 news1.rdc1.az.home.com  24.1.240.74 news1.rdc1.bc.home.com  24.2.10.79
news1.rdc1.ct.home.com  24.2.0.74 news1.rdc1.fl.home.com  24.2.3.74 news1.rdc1.ga.home.com  24.4.125.74
news1.rdc1.il.home.com  24.2.1.74 news1.rdc1.mb.home.com  24.66.95.16 news1.rdc1.md.home.com  24.2.2.74
news1.rdc1.mi.home.com  24.2.68.78 news1.rdc1.ne.home.com  24.2.4.74 news1.rdc1.nj.home.com  24.3.128.74
news1.rdc1.on.wave.home.com  24.2.9.60 news1.rdc1.ri.home.com  24.0.240.30 news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com  24.0.3.73
news1.rdc1.tn.home.com  24.7.143.118 news1.rdc1.tx.home.com  24.4.0.74 news1.rdc1.va.home.com  24.2.32.74
news1.rdc2.on.home.com  24.9.0.17 news1.rdc2.pa.home.com  24.12.106.199 news1.rdc2.tx.home.com  24.14.77.5
news1.sshe1.sk.wave.home.com  24.66.255.24 news1.sttls1.wa.home.com  24.7.143.114 news2.rdc1.on.wave.home.com  24.2.9.59
news2.rdc2.tx.home.com 24.14.77.6 news3.rdc1.on.wave.home.com  42.2.9.61 news4.rdc1.on.wave.home.com  24.2.9.58
[12.124.58.21] [12.126.150.226] [24.24.127.126]
7507a-pos010.midsouth.rr.com [24.92.65.38] 7507dv-fe100.midsouth.rr.com [24.92.65.173] ab-gsr01-pos10.midsouth.rr.com [24.92.65.5]
ab-gsr02-pos02.midsouth.rr.com [24.92.65.54] gar1-p370.ormfl.ip.att.net [12.123.32.109] gbr2-p100.ormfl.ip.att.net [12.122.5.134]
gbr3-p80.attga.ip.att.net [12.122.5.46] gbr4-p50.ormfl.ip.att.net [12.122.2.130] gbr6-p80.attga.ip.att.net [12.123.21.78]
gsra-srp60.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.8.225] gsra-woodland.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.8.1] m8hDs2n1.midsouth.rr.com [24.24.101.1]
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news-server.san.rr.com news-server.satx.com{San Antonio} news-server.sc.rr.com
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I know where to look for the e-books, but I can't find any complete e-book files.

If you are using your newsreader correctly, and you still consistently see incomplete files, the problem is probably your ISP or, more specifically, your news server. Your news server is probably not receiving all of the parts that are necessary to get a complete file. The solution?  Either find a new ISP or look into an additional pay-news server.  Information on ISPs can be found at http://thelist.internet.com/ or in alt.binaries.news-server-comparison and alt.internet.newservers (available at www.dejanews.com and www.remarq.com).

Information on news servers in particular can be found in alt.binaries.news-server-comparison and alt.internet.newservers

Some popular pay-news servers are Altopia, Giganews, Newscene, Newsguy, and Supernews.

If you insist on using your ISP's News-server, just remember that you get what you pay for.

Alternatively, there is this website (http://www.telusplanet.net/public/baxtrom/index.html/) which is maintained by one of the members in the e-Book groups that helps keep track of "Open" News servers. (meaning: available to the public). You might want to take a look at some of those and see if you can't find your fills/parts that you need.

Check the link below for a much more comprehensive page on finding a premium provider:
http://www.exit109.com/~jeremy/news/providers/

Frequently I only see the last part of any post, like only (12/12) and not any of the first 11 parts.  Why is that?

This can happen if your news server, or another news server up the pipe from yours, is filtering out based on segment-size.

This FAQ recommends that you set your segment size to something between 3200 to 5000 per part. We've seen in the past that this setting seems to have the best results in the *e-book groups. HOWEVER, those "In the Know" (such as the NewsAdmins that hang out over in alt.config) are unhappy with this suggestion, and they suggest using a setting between 5000 and 7500 lines per part, or about 1/3 Meg to 1/2 Meg. There are some ISPs that will filter out and not accept any posts that are larger than that.  If you frequently see files posted and the only parts that are available are the 0/xxx and the last one (which are inherently the smallest of the parts), it is possible that the other parts are being filtered out.  You can either request that the poster change their segment size, (only when the poster has posted incorrectly!) or try and find a different news server that doesn't have this particular problem.

I'm using Outlook Express and it's not automatically decoding the e-book files.  How do I get the files?

First download all parts, they will be listed as (1/5), (2/5), (3/5), etc.  Right click on the highlighted parts click "Combine & Decode."  Another window will pop up.  Use the up & down buttons to put all the parts in their proper order.  Click OK.  When the file comes up - click on "file" then click on Save Attachments.

More tips for using Outlook Express can be found in this visual "walkthrough" submitted by Daddio, or in the "Outlook Express Sub-FAQ".

I'm using AOL and it's really difficult for me to get the e-book files. Everything in the binary groups is a mess and out of order.  
Any advice?

Apparently you can use AOL's "Filegrabber" to only display binary files that are complete.  AOL's newsreader can then automatically download and decode the file.  You can accomplish this by selecting the newsgroup (e.g. a.b.s.m), clicking on Preferences, and checking the box that says "Show only complete binary files which AOL can download and decode. Hide text files."

There are times when AOL's software won't recognize that all of the parts are there.  In these cases you may have to manually download each separate part and combine/decode them yourself.

For more information on uploading/downloading newsgroup binaries on AOL, check out the AOL Newsgroup FAQ at: http://members.aol.com/RGordon202/faqpt3.html

ARGH! I don't like downloading with AOL's news software; can't I use Agent to get the files?

Yes and no.  You can't use any external newsreader to access AOL's news server.  On the other hand, you *can* subscribe to a stand-alone pay news server and use Agent, or any other newsreader, through your AOL internet connection.  See here for more information about pay news servers.

It drives me crazy when the saved file attachment isn't named the same as the subject title!  What to do?

If you are using Free Agent or Agent you have a solution at hand.  Go to Groups | Default Properties on the main menu.  Click on the Receive Files tab and check the box that says "Use the message subject for name of first attachment in message."  This will save you a lot of time renaming later.

I can't use Agent at work.  How can I download binaries with Netscape?

Go to the 'Unofficial Netscape FAQ' - "Section One", # 7, for instructions on fetching multi-part binaries (view/save embedded images in their example) with Netscape.  Basically, it is a two-step process of downloading and then converting from .uue format to .e-book.  Quite a pain, but it can be done.